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Huff..spent på hvordan dette går. Ser for meg neste E-klasse med fransk motor. Håpet egentlig at Daimler skulle stå for seg selv en stund og at Zetsche skulle klare å rette opp alt Schrempp ødela.

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Huff..spent på hvordan dette går. Ser for meg neste E-klasse med fransk motor. Håpet egentlig at Daimler skulle stå for seg selv en stund og at Zetsche skulle klare å rette opp alt Schrempp ødela.

 

Det står nå at det bare skal gjelde småmotorer.

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Huff..spent på hvordan dette går. Ser for meg neste E-klasse med fransk motor. Håpet egentlig at Daimler skulle stå for seg selv en stund og at Zetsche skulle klare å rette opp alt Schrempp ødela.

 

Det står nå at det bare skal gjelde småmotorer.

Og hva slags motorer kommer fremtidens biler til å ha?

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Huff..spent på hvordan dette går. Ser for meg neste E-klasse med fransk motor. Håpet egentlig at Daimler skulle stå for seg selv en stund og at Zetsche skulle klare å rette opp alt Schrempp ødela.

 

Det står nå at det bare skal gjelde småmotorer.

Og hva slags motorer kommer fremtidens biler til å ha?

 

La meg omformulere, da.

 

De skriver at det gjelder motorer til a- og b-klasse.

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Huff..spent på hvordan dette går. Ser for meg neste E-klasse med fransk motor. Håpet egentlig at Daimler skulle stå for seg selv en stund og at Zetsche skulle klare å rette opp alt Schrempp ødela.

 

Det står nå at det bare skal gjelde småmotorer.

 

Hva er definisjon på småmotorer? Vito med Renaultmotor, dvs alt under 3 liter? De minste motorene i Vito idag er jo de samme CDI-motorene du finner i C- og E-klasse...

 

Downsizing er framtiden = Mercedes med Renault-motorer - For en motbydelig tanke - YUCK!

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Huff..spent på hvordan dette går. Ser for meg neste E-klasse med fransk motor. Håpet egentlig at Daimler skulle stå for seg selv en stund og at Zetsche skulle klare å rette opp alt Schrempp ødela.

 

Det står nå at det bare skal gjelde småmotorer.

Og hva slags motorer kommer fremtidens biler til å ha?

 

La meg omformulere, da.

 

De skriver at det gjelder motorer til a- og b-klasse.

 

I det A og B klassen med fransk motor blir en suksess (fordi franskmenn kommer til å kjøpe Mercedes) vil neste punkt på listen bli å sette franske motorer i resten av produktspekteret for å booste salget enda mer. Er det en ting Daimler AG kan så er det motorbygging, så slik sett er det litt rart at de skal kjøpe motorer fra konkurenten. Tyder kanskje på at Daimler vil kvitte seg med små bil segmentet ved å stappe de fulle med franske strikk motorer. :D

 

Det vil vel muligens bety at vi kanskje får billigere Mercedes-Benz i Norge. S-klasse med 1,2L hirr hirr!

 

 

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Jeg skal ikke sutre for høyt over samarbeidet siden jeg sitter med en Nissan som har Renaultdiesel sjøl. Den funker som bare det.

 

Uansett vil vel A- og B-klassen får motorstyring etc fra MB, så det skulle vel ikke være noe å miste nattesøvnen av.

 

Når det gjelder Vito tror jeg en skal ære ydmyk nok til å innrømme at en Renault/Nissan motor sannsynligvis vil være det som holder lengst på de bilene.

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Nå er faktisk ikke motorene til Renault og Nissan så ille, de har hatt noen svakheter, som at registerkjedet strekker seg på 1,2 literen i bl. annet micra, en motor som er gått ut av produksjon(YB25) som sleit med rådebank, ellers er det ganske så bra.

Nå er vel ikke Nissan/Renault noe samarbeide da, Renault eier vel Nissan såvidt jeg veit, men det liker de vel kanskje ikke å gjøre offentlig.

Hadde enda Nissan fortsatt med arven sin som verdens fremste motorkonstruktør, som de var på 80-tallet, så hadde det bare vært bra, men kan ikke si at det frister meg så mye med en MB med Renaultmotor.

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Hadde enda Nissan fortsatt med arven sin som verdens fremste motorkonstruktør, som de var på 80-tallet, så hadde det bare vært bra, men kan ikke si at det frister meg så mye med en MB med Renaultmotor.

 

Det klinger vel ikke i ørene på ihuga MB entusiaster med Renault motor i MB... :D

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Ja, hvordan er den å kjøre? :D

 

....Som en myk og komfortabel fransk bil. Vi burde kanskje lukta lunta allerede i 1974 da Mercedes leverte hydraulisk fjæring på 450SEL 6.9 :lol:

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Ja, hvordan er den å kjøre? :D

 

Hvis det var min 500 SE i innlegget før du mente, så tar jeg hintet...  :lol:  Jeg har jo fremdeles ikke fått liv i den, da mekaniker-kompisen som var i ferd med å hakke og skjære ut den gamle tenningslåsen kun hadde kommet halvveis i det arbeidet da han ble syk og vinteren kom og la sin kalde, klamme hånd over prosjektet. Foreløpig bare står den her, men du verden for en grasiøs måte den gjør akkurat det på...

 

Men SNART...  :D

 

MVH Tore

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Men står Mercedes-Benz alene i dag da? Har ikke de slike samarbeid med sprinter bilene blandt annet?

 

VW Crafter : Men VW og MB bruker sine egne motorer i disee bilene.

Det går en del Sprintere i Nord-Amerika som Chrysler/Dodge. Disse har helt sikkert MB motorer.

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Dette med samarbeid mellom flere bilprodusenter har jo foregått lenge, og er også en stor grad av nødvendighet. Utviklingskostnadene er enorme, og det er ingen vits i at man skal sitte på hver sin tue og finne opp hjulet gang på gang.

Felles innsats for å lage tekniske løsninger, og individuell utforming på det mer kosmetiske. Om motoren i min bil er produsert av Mercedes eller Nissan spiller ingen rolle så lenge den oppfyller mine krav til effekt, pålitelighet og driftskostnader.

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Sakset fra Daimler media:

    *  Cooperation on the next-generation smart fortwo and Renault Twingo, including electric versions, as well as on expanding the smart and Twingo families

 

    * Widespread powertrain sharing and co-development on future projects with applications across passenger cars and light commercial vehicles, specifically:

          o The sharing and co-development of diesel and gasoline engines from the Renault-Nissan Alliance; to be used in the new smart and Renault Twingo and to be adapted and modified with Mercedes-Benz characteristics for its new generation of premium compact cars

 

          o  The sharing of gasoline and diesel engines coming from Daimler to Infiniti, the luxury division of Nissan Motor Company, and providing the opportunity for further collaboration

          o The sharing of a Renault-Nissan Alliance diesel engine and transmission for the Mercedes-Benz Vito

 

    * Collaboration in the field of light commercial vehicles

 

    * One-time cross-shareholding amounting to 3.1% of each partner’s equity capital

 

    *Additional synergies encompassing selective common purchasing opportunities, exchange of operational benchmarks and best practices to be shared across both groups

 

BRUSSELS, Belgium - The Renault-Nissan Alliance and Daimler AG today announced a broad strategic cooperation that will enable both groups to already realize benefits quickly from a range of concrete projects as well as sharing of best practices. The two groups also announced an equity exchange that will give the Renault-Nissan Alliance a 3.1% stake in Daimler and Daimler a 3.1% in Renault and a 3.1% stake in Nissan.

According toDr. Dieter Zetsche, Chairman of the Board of Management of Daimler AG and head of Mercedes-Benz Cars,“Daimler and the Renault-Nissan Alliance are combining common interests to form a promising foundation for a successful, strategically sound cooperation that is based on a number of very concrete and attractive project cooperations. Our skills complement each other very well.Right away, we are strengthening our competitiveness in the small and compact car segment and are reducing our CO2 footprint – both on a long-term basis.We know that we can make brand-typical products based on shared architectures.The individual brand identities will remain unaffected.”

 

Carlos Ghosn, Chairman and CEO of the Renault-Nissan Alliance, said: “The Renault-Nissan Alliance knows how to work successfully in collaborative partnerships, and this experience is extremely valuable in today’s and even more tomorrow’s global auto industry. This agreement will extend our strategic collaboration and create lasting value for the Renault-Nissan Alliance and Daimler as we work on broadening and strengthening our product offering, efficiently utilizing all available resources and developing the innovative technologies required in the coming decade.”

Highlights of the Cooperation

Following intensive and productive talks,specific projects have been agreed upon and will be implemented with immediate effect.

 

Specifically:

New common architecture for small vehicles

The successor to the current smart fortwo, a new smart four-seater and the next-generation Renault Twingo will be engineered on the basis of a jointly developed architecture.All vehicles will clearly differ from each other in terms of product design.One main characteristic of the new architecture will be the unique rear wheel drive concept used by current smart vehicles.

The launches of the jointly developed models are planned for 2013 onwards.The smart plant in Hambach, France will be the production location for the two-seater versions, while the Renault plant in Novo Mesto, Slovenia will be the production location for the four-seater versions.Right from its market launch, the jointly developed future models will also be available with an electric drive.

 

Powertrains

The focus of the cooperation in the powertrain area is on the sharing of highly fuel-efficient, diesel and gasoline engines between the Renault-Nissan Alliance and Daimler.

The Renault-Nissan Alliance will provide 3 and 4 cylinder gasoline and diesel engines out of its portfolio to Daimler, which will then be adapted and modified to reflect Mercedes’ characteristics. The result is a win-win situation for both sides: Daimler will be able to utilize Renault-Nissan Alliance engines and capture additional sales potential for Mercedes-Benz’ future lineup of premium compact cars, while the Renault-Nissan Alliance will improve its capacity utilization.

Daimler will provide gasoline and diesel engines out of its current portfolio to Infiniti. This includes 4 and 6 cylinder gasoline and diesel engines. The result is a win-win situation for both sides: Infiniti will be able to utilize Daimler engines, while Daimler will improve its capacity utilization.

 

Daimler, Renault and Nissan will also cooperate on future gasoline and diesel engines. Final production decisions for newly, co-developed engines will be taken at a later time, seeking a production network that is well balanced, thus benefiting all sides.

The area of engine cooperation will be driven by a technical concept that ensures the preservation and clear distinctiveness of the individual respective brand and product identities, while at the same time providing a highly competitive cost structure.First,a high level of standardization of the non-brand-relevant components will provide substantial savings for both partners. Second, the use of separate, brand-specific technology packages will ensure that the requirements of the respective brands are met.

Akey objective is to increase competitiveness of all partners through a substantial increase in volumes, leading to economies of scale and cost sharing in development.

 

Collaboration on light commercial vehicles

The companies have also agreed on a close cooperation in the light commercial vehicle segment.Mercedes-Benz Vans will expand its portfolio to offer an all-new entry-level, intended for commercial usage, from 2012 onwards. The technical basis of this van will come from Renault and will be produced at the Renault plant in Maubeuge, France. Both partners will benefit from higher unit sales, better capacity utilization, shared investment burden, resulting in a better overall cost basis.

In addition to cooperating on small commercial vehicles, selected powertrain components will also be shared to enlarge mid-size van product offering and sales volumes. This includes a small diesel engine and transmissions which Daimler will procure from Renault-Nissan for its mid-size van, the Mercedes-Benz Vito. This additional entry-level motorization will generate additional unit sales for Mercedes-Benz and optimized capacity utilization at Renault.

 

Equity Exchanges

This strategic cooperation is underscored through a one-time cross-shareholding structure which enables the three companies to exchange, benchmark and create synergies on the basis of a long-term mutually beneficial relationship. The overall construction of the deal is based on the principle of a 3.1/3.1/3.1 percentage cross-holding between Renault, Nissan and Daimler; it will be transacted through an exchange of shares:

 

    *Daimler will get 3.1% of Renault’s newly issued shares;

 

    * Daimler will get from Renault 3.1% of Nissan existing shares;

 

    * Renault will get 3.1% of Daimler shares

 

    *Renault has independently agreed to exchange 1.55% of Daimler with Nissan for 2% of Nissan shares;

 

    * Renault and Nissan will each hold 1.55 % of Daimler treasury shares.

 

The strategic cooperation will be managed by Renault-Nissan B.V. for the Alliance and Daimler through a new cooperation committee giving representation to all parties. The cooperation committee will be co-chaired by Carlos Ghosn and Dieter Zetsche and steered by senior executives of the three companies.

 

Further opportunities for collaboration

It is the intention of both groups to create a long-term framework to work closely on future areas of cooperation between Renault, Nissan and Daimler. Each company will pursue future opportunities following the closing of the agreement on the strategic cooperation and the implementation of the first major cooperation projects. These include opportunities to be studied on shared modules and components between Infiniti and Mercedes-Benz vehicles, regional cooperation in the United States, China and Japan between Nissan, Infiniti and Daimler. In addition, opportunities to co-develop technologies relating to electric vehicles and batteries will be explored between Renault, Nissan and Daimler.

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